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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number

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737 for the 20th of November 2022

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Richard Saunders coming to you early in

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the morning from

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more rain Sydney Australia more rain and

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in the last week we have seen terrible

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pictures on the the news stories here of

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very bad flooding in Australia in my

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state of New South Wales

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homes swept away and towns underwater

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it's uh it's frightening and it's

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another reminder of how the climate is

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changing which sort of leads us on to

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our very first

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topic today our first segment an

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interview with noted

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uh campaigner Xeon lights from the UK

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now Xeon

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was was a spokesperson for extinction

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Rebellion

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before leaving that organization owing

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to fundamental disagreements with the

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group's reasonings and activities

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an interesting woman indeed find out

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more as I interview Xeon lights and then

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you might want to view the video of the

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presentation she gave to Sydney Skeptics

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in the pub some weeks ago and I'll link

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to that in this week's show notes Xeon

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lights coming up at the top of the show

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following that it's the Australian

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Skeptics newsletter read once again all

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the way from Snowy cold cold and cold

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and snowy Canada by Adrian Hill speaking

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of

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strange weather all my listeners in New

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York I've been looking at the news feeds

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too and seeing a ridiculous amount of

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snow snow as high as the roofs and it

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vaguely reminds me or reminds me of my

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vague memories of living in Canada

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Adrian in Saskatchewan when I was a very

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small boy and on the Prairie there we

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had snow right up to the uh to the roof

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had to dig our way out I vaguely

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remember and my dad took home movies of

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tunnels out of the house so we could get

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hello to my listeners in Saskatchewan

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then to round off the show it's more

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reports from the recent scicon with our

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guest reporter Rob Palmer and this week

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amongst other people Rob catches up with

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our old friend Brian Dunning who gives

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us yet another update into his UFO movie

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the UFO movie

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they don't want you to see I wonder who

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happy birthday to those people who've

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had a birthday in the last few weeks and

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if you've just done some exams I know

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lots of people are doing exams lately or

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graduated with I don't know maybe a

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degree in science congratulations the

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world certainly needs more scientists

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but now it's time for me to run

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have I know it's probably not the right

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time of day but yesterday I came across

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um what shall we call it it's like a

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topping you put on dumplings or

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spicy hot with both flavors intertwined

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lights is a British author and activist

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known for her environmental work in

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science communication she was a

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spokesperson for extinction Rebellion UK

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and founded and edited the extinction

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rebellion's hourglass newspaper she

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wrote a column for The Huffington Post

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authored the evidence-based non-fiction

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parenting and contributed to zero waste

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kids with humanitarian Rob Greenfield

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she eventually left the extinction

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campaigns for clean green nuclear energy

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good morning to you it's it's evening

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here because of the way the world works

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once again because you were a recent

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something you'd like to do to get out

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there and talk to the public you know I

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more of a writer and that's that's the

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the bit that I really enjoy but I get

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invited to so many speaking uh to events

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to speak that I feel you know that's

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it has an interactive element where you

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can you know answer questions which I

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world so in the UK I've written for the

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Metro the telegraph open democracy last

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debelt which is Germany's main newspaper

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around the world and I really enjoy that

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activist for a long time and and a very

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about you know people should vaccinate

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issues climate action but how can we do

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Australia and I want to say that apart

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from anything else it takes a bit of

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bottle it takes a bit of courage

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to to take Extreme Action and really put

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I'm doing the right thing and that you

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essentially spreading misinformation

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about these things but not intentionally

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cause positive change create positive

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change in the world and then you find

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do everything I can to kind of undo that

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damage and also to make sure that other

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um approach which is again you know I'm

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um people even who are you know before

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things you did but now you mentioned

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that did it take maybe even more courage

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these groups not just Rebellion but in

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and say you know actually I agree with

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you and maybe I should talk to some of

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my peers about this and you know maybe

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it's super important

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um that they see someone doing it

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visibly so that they feel able to also

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Express that they hold scientific views

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I think it's a little bit scary that you

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you can't you know in in some of these

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groups you can't hold

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um evidence-based views I think we

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should be a little bit concerned about

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that

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um so you know I so long as I'm doing

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good work and kind of helping

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um helping to improve things hopefully I

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yeah I don't mind the kind of attacks I

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get to record a traitor I get called a

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shield I get called a puppet who is she

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speaking for why is she you know which

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is a bit offensive actually because

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they're doing how hard I thought to have

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a voice in this movement and considering

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the fact that I couldn't voice these

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things when I was when I was more

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involved

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um you know that's when I was actually

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ironically more the puppet because I was

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told you don't say these things you're

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not like you know you're not allowed to

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talk about certain things we want you to

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talk about these other things that's

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what it means to be a spokesperson and I

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have complete freedom from that now so I

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just speak my mind and I find that it's

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very convincing to people you know even

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if they don't necessarily agree with you

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right away they will take away the ideas

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and think about it because they've been

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able to have that interaction with you

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which was not something I was able to do

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when I was a spokesperson because I was

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just representing a group's views and I

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couldn't you know as as you probably

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know went on the engineer show it had

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you know millions of people saw this we

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go on there a live television and say

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hey I can't answer your question Andrew

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and you know I it wasn't that I couldn't

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I I wanted to and I could in my own mind

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but I couldn't as a spokesperson so I

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made that decision I'm here as a

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spokesperson I'm not going to violate

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that by saying well actually these are

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these are the things we should be doing

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because that's that would not have been

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representing the group's aims so I you

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know but that really caught me out

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because it was all over the national

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press the next day and

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um the clip went viral online it had

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millions of views and and people used it

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to say hey these groups are awful they

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don't know anything look at this awful

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person who doesn't know anything and I

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kind of said hey no hang on hang on a

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minute so I kind of that's what I kind

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of put my foot down and said it actually

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here are some things that we could be

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fighting for that good Solutions lots of

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um you know scientific consensus behind

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them

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and yeah just I didn't know that that

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would achieve anything but it has done

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so that's that's great I think so I

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think so and it's fascinating to think

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that the what we might regard as cult

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behavior is is uh is gagging people or

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telling them what to say or what not to

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say when they come with an alternative

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point of view maybe based on science or

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Reason and it's so misleading you know

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um I don't know if you've seen in your

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press over there but over here there's a

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new group which is kind of a splinter

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group

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um from exchange Rebellion called just

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stop oil they they only formed earlier

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this year in I think February this year

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and they've been doing a lot of kind of

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more hardcore protests you know shutting

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motor waves you know even some quite

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kind of dangerous actions where I've

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kind of gone oh I'm surprised that they

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would do that you know at least in the

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groups I was in were a lot more you know

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considerate of people like make sure

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people are looked after and you know

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anyway it's it's pushed beyond that like

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it's I would say it's quite extreme it's

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pushed way beyond that you've got these

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young yet really young people you know

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people in the early 20s

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you know suspending themselves from

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Bridges and and they're posting these

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videos online talking about why they're

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doing it and they're in tears the last

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one the young girl was in tit and she

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said I have to do this because I have no

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future and I felt sorry for her that

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that's what she's being told that that

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is the lie that she's being sold so that

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she will go and do you know quite quite

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dangerous actions which actually tell me

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how that's helping climate change tell

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me how that's helping to address climate

391
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change you know she's not talking about

392
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Solutions it's the same old line we need

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to change the system politics is broken

394
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you know that that all came from itsy's

395
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Rebellion to be fair but this group

396
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pushes it even harder they just

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basically want kind of Revolution and

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that and then I saw that when that

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article went live

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with a video clip she was getting a lot

401
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of hate and I felt sorry for her and I

402
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thought actually we should feel sorry

403
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for her and this is not just oh these

404
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you know the people Behind These

405
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protests are awful I I think some of

406
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them are I know some of them one of them

407
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was from future Rebellion he was awful

408
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anything since Rebellion too

409
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um very much um kind of extremist yeah

410
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very much kind of cult leader

411
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um but it's not it's not just that I

412
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think Society has failed her you know

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because like me she's been misled she's

414
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young she's concerned about real issues

415
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but she's then been told you know in

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your lifetime there'll be societal

417
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collapse this is what these young people

418
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are being told in your lifetime there'll

419
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be horrendous things that happen and you

420
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have to do something about it and if you

421
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don't it's on your shoulders it is cult

422
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mentality and and there is and there is

423
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the I'm a savior and there is

424
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um a solution to ending apocalypse and

425
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and you have to do this to achieve that

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and I I saw her cry and I felt I felt

427
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terrible I felt so sorry for her but all

428
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the hatred is directed at her from

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members of the public people who you

430
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know within stuck in traffic because she

431
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was blocking the road and I and I

432
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thought actually she needs to be reached

433
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out to

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yes I agree with you we've seen lots of

435
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videos here from just stop oil it's uh

436
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sometimes on the news it's all over

437
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social media and we see

438
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uh young kids what I call young kids in

439
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their late teens early twenties and yes

440
00:17:03,769 --> 00:17:00,720
you're passionate when you're in your um

441
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your teens and early 20s but I also see

442
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older people older people maybe if my

443
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generation may be worried about their

444
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children or uh maybe even others worried

445
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about their their grandchildren yeah and

446
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so there's a couple of things in there

447
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actually one thing one thing I'm going

448
00:17:24,350 --> 00:17:21,900
to point out when we talk about cult

449
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mentality so when I was 16 Rebellion I

450
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was often asked when I did interviews I

451
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was often asked I are there Co and I

452
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would defend them and I'd say no and

453
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look there's a lot of elements you know

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although

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cool organizing Group which I was in and

456
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there were also a lot of autonomous

457
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groups not just around the UK but around

458
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the world you know around Europe

459
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um especially and so those groups were

460
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often really nice really they're doing

461
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quite positive actions a lot of time

462
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good people and I liked them

463
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um

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but the core organizing group that did

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one ultimately political revolution you

466
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know that was their third demand replace

467
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the current existing city um

468
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system with citizen assemblies as their

469
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third demand they were not you know

470
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secretive about that that that that's a

471
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whole other like a lot of these other

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groups that are

473
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kind of work acting under the same label

474
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they're not they're not really pushing

475
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that ideology they're genuinely just

476
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concerned about climate change and

477
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they're trying to do their bit and

478
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they're doing little actions and it's

479
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getting in the press and that's really

480
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positive for them they feel like they're

481
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doing something and it's getting a

482
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conversation going so that you know I

483
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could understand but what what I was

484
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going to say is we talk about this cult

485
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mentality it's unfortunate truth is

486
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because it comes from this Core Group it

487
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has that impact on on you know what kind

488
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of actions we do how we talk about

489
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climate change

490
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um and when I was in there because I was

491
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a spokesperson I had to do kind of media

492
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training I was told by their media

493
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trainer I was told like we want you to

494
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cry

495
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on TV we need you you need to do come on

496
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Zion you can do and I I hated it and I

497
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you know I never did it never did it but

498
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I it was like the first person to cry is

499
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gonna get the medal you know what that

500
00:19:13,789 --> 00:19:12,539
that was that was that was encouraged as

501
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a kind of emotionally manipulative

502
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tactic

503
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um to persuade the public and to make us

504
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look less like you know

505
00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:21,840
um revolutionaries because that's how

506
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some of the press was uh portraying us

507
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and more like you know just uh someone

508
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people should care about and worry about

509
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because they're crying and I never liked

510
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it but it is again kind of a cultish

511
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tactic

512
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and and so that but that was the core

513
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group so I do want to differentiate

514
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because there's a lot of people who are

515
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involved who wouldn't didn't even have

516
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contact with a core group they're just

517
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doing their bit the problem is that that

518
00:19:51,049 --> 00:19:48,720
group was so powerful and that messaging

519
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that we had was so powerful

520
00:19:55,130 --> 00:19:53,340
um that it's now you know it's

521
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:55,140
influenced the entire climate movements

522
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you've got Greta saying the same things

523
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about the system needs to collapse

524
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you've got just stop oil spin splinter

525
00:20:05,690 --> 00:20:03,480
group and we've got a couple of others

526
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Splinter groups here as well ban UK

527
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private jets

528
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um and insulate Britain and they're all

529
00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:12,179
pushing the same message which is

530
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the system causes problems that the

531
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system has to go which I think is

532
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ridiculous and also extremely misleading

533
00:20:22,610 --> 00:20:21,120
um but a lot of people don't really

534
00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:22,620
question it and they just think well you

535
00:20:26,330 --> 00:20:24,360
know on a superficial level yeah it's

536
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true but obviously it's not you know

537
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:28,559
also burning fossil fuels yeah okay

538
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burning fossil fuels

539
00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:33,320
um cause these problems but they were so

540
00:20:36,650 --> 00:20:35,340
uplifted us so that we wouldn't live in

541
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poverty you know for most of human

542
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history we did live in poverty child

543
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mortality rates were abysmal all of that

544
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changed because we burned a lot of

545
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fossil fuels and I know that it's hard

546
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for people to hold those two ideas in

547
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their head because they're almost

548
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,240
contradictory ideas which are

549
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,919
philosophers are bad but fossil fuels

550
00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:51,600
are good I understand that but they

551
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,580
pushed this message so much that

552
00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:54,960
philosophers were bad which means that

553
00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:56,220
everything that we do in the way we live

554
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,720
is bad but what are they basically

555
00:21:00,890 --> 00:20:59,039
saying how are they saying we should

556
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:00,900
live you know should we live without

557
00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:02,820
things and without electricity well a

558
00:21:06,590 --> 00:21:04,140
lot of them do believe that they believe

559
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:06,600
in this deep adaptation ideology I don't

560
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,440
know if you've heard of it but it's

561
00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:09,600
quite popular here the greens especially

562
00:21:13,549 --> 00:21:11,880
like it and it is basically if you read

563
00:21:15,529 --> 00:21:13,559
this page paper it's actually

564
00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:15,539
unfortunately by a by a professor called

565
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,600
Jim Bendel and it's very much about how

566
00:21:23,630 --> 00:21:21,120
you kind of go back to the land

567
00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:23,640
and and living like it uses this

568
00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:26,460
terminology living simply living within

569
00:21:30,830 --> 00:21:28,380
you know how you're supposed to live

570
00:21:32,690 --> 00:21:30,840
this this idea of it's basically this it

571
00:21:36,110 --> 00:21:32,700
basically is idolizing poverty I think

572
00:21:38,570 --> 00:21:36,120
it's outrageous but because that's the

573
00:21:40,430 --> 00:21:38,580
flow of logic people just sort of Follow

574
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,440
that flow of logic which I think why I

575
00:21:44,330 --> 00:21:41,760
think it's really important to challenge

576
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,340
that and to bring in other elements and

577
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:46,799
say actually we can maintain a high

578
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:50,220
quality of life and also not trash the

579
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,720
planet which is why I then advocate for

580
00:21:54,529 --> 00:21:53,039
things like nuclear power because it's a

581
00:21:57,169 --> 00:21:54,539
no-brainer if you want to get off fossil

582
00:21:58,669 --> 00:21:57,179
fuels that's a no-brainer right

583
00:21:59,930 --> 00:21:58,679
um but then these groups also protest

584
00:22:02,029 --> 00:21:59,940
that but the reason they're protesting

585
00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:02,039
that is because they don't want cheap

586
00:22:06,049 --> 00:22:03,960
abundant electricity for everybody they

587
00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:06,059
don't want that and that to me is quite

588
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:08,280
a scary thing yes this is a very

589
00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:09,360
interesting thing it's the natural

590
00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:13,260
fallacy it's the idea that the the past

591
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:16,020
is very romanticized Back To Nature

592
00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:20,940
living as one with the Earth and uh how

593
00:22:25,789 --> 00:22:23,340
easily we forget or we weren't aware

594
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:25,799
that our ancestors

595
00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:29,039
normally didn't make it into old age and

596
00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:30,539
many of them had to have lots of

597
00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:34,200
children in the hopes that some of those

598
00:22:39,169 --> 00:22:36,840
children just might survive past the

599
00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:39,179
first few years of life

600
00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:40,500
yep

601
00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:42,840
well you know I've even spoken to so

602
00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:44,820
I've spoken to some of these you know

603
00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:46,140
I've been in these groups for a long

604
00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:47,340
time I used to be in the green party

605
00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:49,620
which I left years ago but people in the

606
00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:51,179
green party leaders in the green party

607
00:22:54,350 --> 00:22:52,740
like the actual leader of the green

608
00:22:57,289 --> 00:22:54,360
party at the time when I was involved

609
00:22:59,390 --> 00:22:57,299
said to me yeah that is how we should

610
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,400
live if people die they die

611
00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:01,200
that's the natural order of things and

612
00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:03,780
it's outrageous it's almost like

613
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,440
um

614
00:23:08,510 --> 00:23:06,960
the land and the trees matter more than

615
00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:08,520
people

616
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,100
and I for me I'm trying to help make

617
00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:13,200
things better because I want people's

618
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,000
lives to be better yes I do care about

619
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:17,039
biodiversity and animals and trees I do

620
00:23:21,289 --> 00:23:19,799
care about all of that but people also

621
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:21,299
should be lifted out of poverty and

622
00:23:25,730 --> 00:23:23,400
should not you know experience energy

623
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:25,740
poverty and not be able to heat their

624
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:29,039
homes in Winter and Etc that's my main

625
00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:30,539
motivation and that's where I'm

626
00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:33,059
completely uh coming at it from a

627
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:35,100
different angle to the other groups

628
00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:36,720
which unfortunately have created a very

629
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:38,820
dominant Ideology Now everywhere in the

630
00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:40,919
world where you even hear you know I've

631
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:43,080
heard kind of young climate activists

632
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:44,400
around the world

633
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,780
um everyone says oh really powerful

634
00:23:49,370 --> 00:23:47,520
voice listen to her speak or whatever

635
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:49,380
and I go and I listen because I think

636
00:23:52,190 --> 00:23:50,880
maybe that you know we should listen to

637
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:52,200
this person from this country haven't

638
00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:54,120
heard of you from there before on this

639
00:23:58,130 --> 00:23:56,280
issue but they say exactly the same

640
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,140
thing they said this system calls this

641
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,200
and we need to change the system whereas

642
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:02,880
actually a couple of things there first

643
00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:03,960
of all

644
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,299
you've got all these people saying we

645
00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:07,919
need to act right now on climate change

646
00:24:12,169 --> 00:24:09,480
I mean that was one of our slogans in it

647
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:12,179
since Rebellion apps now well how can we

648
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,340
have time to completely change the

649
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,760
system if that's even possible and not

650
00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:19,440
and then sort out climate change like

651
00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:21,000
the biggest that made no sense to me

652
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,500
when I was in excuse me I used to argue

653
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:24,000
with people about it

654
00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:27,480
um so there's that but secondly it's

655
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:28,860
just not true

656
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,720
are we saying if we had a different

657
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:35,520
I mean there are communist countries in

658
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:37,500
the world as well right so fine Greta

659
00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:39,000
tunberg hates capitalism she blames

660
00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:41,460
capitalism and xrates capitalism but we

661
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,780
do have other countries are they living

662
00:24:47,330 --> 00:24:44,880
in a back to the land sustainable way do

663
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,340
they have net zero emissions no

664
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:48,960
you know so I don't even it's not even

665
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:51,600
true and yeah maybe there is another

666
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,600
system somewhere magically you know that

667
00:24:57,529 --> 00:24:55,679
could

668
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,539
solve all of these problems but I want

669
00:25:01,010 --> 00:24:59,159
to see evidence of that I don't want to

670
00:25:03,289 --> 00:25:01,020
believe in some god-like figure you know

671
00:25:06,649 --> 00:25:03,299
uh there's some there's some magical

672
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,659
Solution that's that I sorry not a

673
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,919
religious person it's not going to work

674
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:10,080
for me so I want to hear what that is

675
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,940
but when you ask them they just say we

676
00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:13,440
don't know yet we have to build it and

677
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:15,720
that it's kind of scary to me you know

678
00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:18,360
just you can't just throw out something

679
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:20,460
because it has yeah it needs some reform

680
00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:22,860
and it's had made some mistakes in favor

681
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,179
of something completely new that you

682
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:25,919
don't know what it is yet I mean this

683
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:28,140
this is not a small matter people will

684
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:30,120
die when there are blackouts we are in

685
00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:32,039
Britain we have planned blackouts now

686
00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:34,260
for this winter for the coldest days

687
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,659
that means you can't warm your home on

688
00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:38,640
the coldest days now if we're lucky we

689
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,919
won't have a super cold winter but the

690
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:42,240
same things happen in Germany where they

691
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,299
do they get proper snowy cold Winters

692
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:46,559
um they're rationing they're being told

693
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:49,500
to write you Russian how much energy

694
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:50,159
um

695
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:51,960
energy they can use how long you can

696
00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:56,400
have a shower for I just you know I

697
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,220
what a blinkered kind of view of

698
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:02,159
humanity like we should all just

699
00:26:07,730 --> 00:26:05,940
you know self-sacrifice and and and make

700
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:07,740
ourselves as small as possible how dare

701
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:10,260
we take up space being alive on the

702
00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:12,120
planet has an impact on the planet

703
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:13,980
that's it you know there's no way around

704
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,940
that

705
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:18,000
but we can do things to mitigate and we

706
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:21,299
can do things to adapt and we can

707
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:25,799
use clean energy and you know

708
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:28,200
plant lots of trees although that's not

709
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:29,520
necessarily always a solution but you

710
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:30,840
know what I mean just

711
00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:33,659
yeah look at different things we can do

712
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:36,120
um create Urban forests or like protect

713
00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:39,659
specific regions of land and we can live

714
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:42,539
in harmony with our surroundings yes we

715
00:26:46,669 --> 00:26:44,820
haven't done an amazing job at that

716
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,679
because we've been lots of Butterfields

717
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:48,480
but to be fair we didn't know for a long

718
00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:50,580
time and now it's hard to make that

719
00:26:54,490 --> 00:26:51,900
transition but part of the reason it's

720
00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:54,500
hard is because they also are against

721
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,580
implementing the solutions that we need

722
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:59,039
so even so all right fine you don't want

723
00:27:02,090 --> 00:27:00,480
nuclear a lot of people would say

724
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,100
Renewables instead but actually in

725
00:27:06,970 --> 00:27:04,740
Britain even Renewables in the last year

726
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:06,980
there were 25 applications for solar

727
00:27:12,289 --> 00:27:09,720
Farms that were rejected because people

728
00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:12,299
were against them like local councils

729
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:14,700
residents so it's kind of like and that

730
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:16,740
was the highest in history so we are

731
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:19,080
facing blackouts now I would prefer I

732
00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:20,460
would like to just build lots of nuclear

733
00:27:24,049 --> 00:27:22,260
everywhere but I understand you know

734
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,059
maybe people prefer solar maybe you can

735
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,640
do that a bit quicker but even that was

736
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:29,039
protested so you just kind of go what is

737
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:31,260
this about do people not understand and

738
00:27:34,909 --> 00:27:33,659
I mean this is what it's about people do

739
00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:34,919
not understand

740
00:27:39,529 --> 00:27:37,500
the absolute privilege they they have

741
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:39,539
when they can click the Switch and the

742
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,460
light comes on they do not understand

743
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:43,380
where that comes from and again I think

744
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:45,480
that is the kind of society's failure we

745
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:46,860
should be teaching this thing these

746
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:48,840
things in schools and we don't

747
00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:50,580
so you know how are people going to know

748
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:52,440
about it unless they come to one of my

749
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:53,700
talks you know a lot of people there's

750
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:54,900
not a lot of people talking about it

751
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:56,220
either

752
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,140
um and that's

753
00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:00,480
that's a huge problem that needs to be

754
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:01,980
addressed that I don't even really see

755
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,659
anyone talking about dressing which is I

756
00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:05,520
would say it's got to be in the

757
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:07,740
education system how we create energy

758
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:11,159
you know how we are built on a huge

759
00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:13,140
amount of energy yes the consequences

760
00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:15,539
that has also had environmentally but

761
00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:16,679
everything has environmental

762
00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:18,179
consequences

763
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,559
um as well let's not forget that whether

764
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:21,960
it's solar philosophers or nuclear you

765
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:24,419
know or wind

766
00:28:30,130 --> 00:28:28,020
um and then you can have a load of young

767
00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:30,140
people who instead of having crippling

768
00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:33,000
levels of anxiety which also equal

769
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:35,220
anxiety studies show that among young

770
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:36,840
people it's just higher than ever before

771
00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:38,760
like they're really anxious which is why

772
00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:40,620
they're they're falling for these kind

773
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,659
of curl-like movements and and risks

774
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:45,120
real time and all of that they will they

775
00:28:48,110 --> 00:28:46,620
will learn the problems early on and

776
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:48,120
they will they will be able to help

777
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:50,460
create the solutions you know maybe they

778
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:52,200
go into engineering maybe they realize

779
00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:53,820
hey actually we need to build our way

780
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,820
out of this or other practical things

781
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:58,140
and that's that's not going to happen at

782
00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:59,640
the moment because they get to the 20s

783
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:01,620
they don't really know about it

784
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:03,720
they don't know about it at all they

785
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,820
don't know about the solutions at all

786
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:07,440
um they only have been told about the

787
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,900
problem and then they're told the

788
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,580
solution is to go and get yourself

789
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,679
arrested which actually as I say it's

790
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,480
not really helping

791
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:17,279
you know with the actual practical

792
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:18,899
things that need to be done and then

793
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:21,059
they'll say well but we got on TV and we

794
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:22,260
got to talk about it and I'm like but

795
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:24,059
you don't really need to go on TV and

796
00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:25,799
talk about the problems everybody knows

797
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:28,620
about the problems you know it's easy to

798
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,940
be a pessimist and talk about the

799
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:31,440
problems and we're all doomed and it's

800
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:33,720
awful what what what are the solutions

801
00:29:37,789 --> 00:29:35,820
what are we actually going to implement

802
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,799
that's super important so that's why I

803
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,080
do why I do it but there's really not

804
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:41,760
enough of us I wish more people would

805
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:44,820
would do it but I think it is hard to to

806
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:47,220
kind of back something it's easy to be

807
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:48,659
against things easy to prepare some

808
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,740
mistake

809
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:51,120
um I think there's even an assumption if

810
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:52,860
your pessimistic you're cleverer not

811
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:54,120
necessarily actually I think it's harder

812
00:29:58,430 --> 00:29:55,980
to be optimistic it's harder to think

813
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:58,440
ahead to what will we need several years

814
00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:00,059
down the line how do we get there how do

815
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,760
we build up you know ourselves up

816
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:04,559
um and protect the environment rather

817
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:07,080
than essentially we just give up which

818
00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:08,520
is what that back to the land living

819
00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:11,100
kind of scenario is we just give it up

820
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:13,799
we did it wrong humans were wrong you

821
00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:16,559
know but like that's that's that's

822
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:18,120
that's that's where we keep Landing

823
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:19,860
because that's the dominant narrative

824
00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:22,020
that's those are the stories that are

825
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getting out and we need to tell better

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stories I think now folks you can see

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Xeon lights presentation it's online on

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YouTube to Sydney Skeptics in the pub I

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00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,840
encourage you to watch that it's a very

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00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:35,760
interesting and entertaining present

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station she's also done tedx talks and

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if you Google her name you'll find lots

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00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:45,659
of references uh Zeon where would you

834
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:48,179
like people to visit on the web to find

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out more well I have a website which I

836
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,500
keep up to date with my speaking events

837
00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:54,960
and articles all of my published

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00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:56,600
articles are on there that's just the

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onlights.co.uk but I also have a small

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campaign group called emergency reactor

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and they have a website emergency

842
00:31:09,169 --> 00:31:06,659
reactor.org and we just do you know

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00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:09,179
little actions kind of

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00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:12,120
um always for Solutions uh it's quite a

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00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:14,220
novel idea but you know it's it's quite

846
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:15,899
it's a good sort of positive way of

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00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,100
getting the message out there and we're

848
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:18,960
always looking for people to to get

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00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:20,279
involved

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00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:21,899
um even if it's just you know writing

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00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:25,320
letters or setting up petitions or or

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00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:26,820
coming on protests although we're only

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really Britain based at the moment but

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I'd love for people to to do actions in

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other places

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00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:34,860
um so we you know we did one recently we

857
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:35,880
went down to the Green Peace

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headquarters in London and we we dumped

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00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:39,480
a load of fake coal on their doorstep

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00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:41,700
and we held up signs saying you know

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00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,799
less nuclear equals more fossil fuels

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00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:45,360
like stop protesting nuclear because

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00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:47,399
they're very very heavy lobbyists

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00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,799
against nuclear across Europe very heavy

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00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:51,840
very involved they've managed to get a

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00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,100
lot of reactors shut down over the years

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00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,440
every time they shut them down what

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00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:56,880
happens it gets replaced with fossil

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00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:58,380
fuels it might be replaced a little bit

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00:32:03,289 --> 00:32:01,140
Renewables but it's all the data shows

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00:32:05,149 --> 00:32:03,299
it's predominantly fossil fuels

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um that pick up the slack so you know

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we've done things like that um and if

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00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:11,940
people want to Stage similar actions I'm

875
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:13,620
always hopeful that somebody's so I will

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00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:16,380
one day we can send you free posters and

877
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,600
and things and some you know some advice

878
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:20,640
and maybe some tips on how to get

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00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,620
started but it's a good it's a good fun

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00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:24,600
way to to go out with your community of

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00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,000
kind of like-minded people and and try

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00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:29,039
and promote a positive message instead

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00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,620
of a negative one well Zion thank you

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very much uh for being on the skeptic

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00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:35,820
Zone thank you very much indeed for your

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00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,100
presentation some weeks ago here in

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00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,100
Skeptics in the pub in Sydney but for

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00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:43,760
now Xeon lights thank you very much

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thank you so much thanks for having me

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Music]

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this is Adrian Hill from Canada here to

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read the highlights from the Australian

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Skeptics newsletter

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this is newsletter number 161.

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you can subscribe to this newsletter and

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get it delivered to your inbox every

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other week complete with links to all

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the stories

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00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,730
but now let's see what Tim Mendham has

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00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,720
for us this week

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hi all

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sad news is the recent death of Kendrick

905
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,200
Fraser a constant figure in the global

906
00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:51,840
skeptical scene especially as editor of

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00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:55,740
skeptical Inquirer since 1977 the third

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issue in fact

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00:34:02,210 --> 00:33:59,820
an amazing achievement in anyone's book

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00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:02,220
our thoughts are with his family and the

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crew at skeptical Inquirer and CFI

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00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,599
on a happier note skepticon 2022 is just

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00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:11,520
around the corner there's still time to

914
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:13,320
book your tickets for the convention and

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00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:16,020
the dinner or just line up for the free

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social events details are below

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read on

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Tim

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ASI news you're skepticon 2022

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tickets are still available for two full

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00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:34,619
days of some of the leading speakers on

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00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:37,139
science skepticism and critical thinking

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00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,200
from both Australia and overseas

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00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:42,480
full details are on the skepticon site

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00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,200
visit

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00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:48,000
www.skepticon.org dot a u for all the

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00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:52,669
then there is the convention dinner on

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00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,260
December 3rd the best way to mingle with

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00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:57,119
other Skeptics and speakers over a

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convivial three-course meal with bartab

931
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,240
and guest speakers for 85 dollars

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00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:05,460
the dinner is open to all although

933
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:08,040
numbers are limited we look forward to

934
00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:18,290
exporting traditional Indian medicine

935
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:20,450
the Indian government is promoting

936
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:22,859
ayurveda as a valid alternative to

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00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:26,700
Western medicine but it's natural cures

938
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,859
are insufficiently tested and sometimes

939
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:30,240
dangerous

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00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:32,339
nonetheless at a recent convention

941
00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:35,460
Indian Prime Minister narenda Modi sat

942
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:37,320
next to the World Health Organization

943
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,800
director General Dr Tedros gabriessis as

944
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:42,780
they celebrated the growing Global

945
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:46,500
impact of traditional Indian medicine

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00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:49,800
together they inaugurated The Who Global

947
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:51,540
Center for traditional medicine in

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00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:55,500
Gujarat built with a 250 million dollar

949
00:36:03,430 --> 00:35:58,440
investment from the Indian government

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00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:07,069
Columbia University disaffiliated from

951
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:10,859
Dr Oz well that makes me happy

952
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:13,380
he lost his race for the U.S Senate and

953
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:15,660
while Columbia University stayed silent

954
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:18,599
on Dr Oz during the election cycle it

955
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,700
quietly scrubbed him from its web pages

956
00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:23,520
and directories in what has struck many

957
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:27,300
as a secretive attempt at disaffiliation

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00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:29,460
the recent changes came after years of

959
00:36:33,609 --> 00:36:31,260
criticism of Colombia by the medical

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00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:33,619
community for maintaining ties to Oz

961
00:36:38,329 --> 00:36:36,119
despite his promotion of pseudoscience

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00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:38,339
and misinformation on his influential

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00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:44,110
believing is seeing documentary

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00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:45,780
[Music]

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00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,260
this is an interesting talk on so-called

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00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:51,540
Tick-Tock ticks young people discussing

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00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:53,640
online how they suffer from involuntary

968
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:55,260
movements such as found in Tourette

969
00:37:00,109 --> 00:36:57,960
syndrome Dr Robert Bartholomew

970
00:37:02,329 --> 00:37:00,119
occasional contributor to the skeptic

971
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:02,339
kicks off proceedings and asks if this

972
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:05,099
is a real issue or mass psychogenic

973
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,320
illness based on a belief

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00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,599
well we're the watch for the 14-minute

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00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:11,760
mini documentary

976
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:13,560
as a side note

977
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,680
as many listeners may know I have a

978
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,720
strong connection with the Tourette

979
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:21,119
Syndrome World in fact I have given a

980
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:22,740
talk for Monterey County Skeptics on

981
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,500
this issue of tick tock ticks and I was

982
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:28,079
actually asked after the talk if I

983
00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:29,520
thought that the sudden increase in

984
00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:31,140
mostly teenage girls showing up at

985
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:33,660
emergency hospitals with sudden onset

986
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,540
ticks during the pandemic was possibly a

987
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:38,880
mass psychogenic illness my answer at

988
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:41,640
that time and now is still I don't know

989
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,640
this is a very complex issue that is

990
00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:46,160
still currently being studied

991
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:48,599
neurologists doctors Tamara princeheim

992
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:51,000
and David amartino both having

993
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:54,180
co-written two papers on this topic have

994
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:56,339
called the phenomena of Rapid onset

995
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:59,339
tick-like behaviors quote a distinct

996
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:01,560
subtype of functional neurological

997
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:03,420
disorder end quote

998
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,300
which are known disorders and they were

999
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:08,400
known before the pandemic

1000
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,440
so time and science will help determine

1001
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:12,960
if this is indeed a mass psychogenic

1002
00:38:18,349 --> 00:38:16,320
illness also please don't panic and ban

1003
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:18,359
all social media from your family the

1004
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:20,339
numbers while significantly greater than

1005
00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:22,619
pre-pandemic numbers are still small

1006
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:24,599
globally

1007
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:26,460
I have given Richard a link for the show

1008
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,740
notes to the University of Calgary's

1009
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:30,960
Tourette OCD Alberta Network webpage

1010
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:32,579
where you can find links to the

1011
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:34,380
published papers and more information on

1012
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:37,260
this very topic there is also a link to

1013
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:40,020
my Tick Tock talk now back to the

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00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:46,550
we are currently working on the December

1015
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,140
issue of the skeptic magazine

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00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:51,599
meanwhile the September issue of the

1017
00:38:55,490 --> 00:38:53,400
skeptic magazine is out with a major

1018
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:55,500
look at the mysterious and often

1019
00:39:01,250 --> 00:38:58,680
secretive world of organized exorcism in

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00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:01,260
Australia and not just from the Catholic

1021
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:02,460
Church

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00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:04,740
also included in the September issue are

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00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:07,320
articles of dowsing priests falling

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00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:10,200
frogs and tips on how to stay afloat on

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00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,300
a sea of misinformation

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if you haven't subscribed yet now is the

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00:39:20,569 --> 00:39:17,040
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00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:25,020
take up the hard copy version

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00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:27,180
contact the editor if you're not sure if

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00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,220
your existing subscription needs

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00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:31,260
renewing

1034
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learn more about our magazine And

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00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,390
thank you

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00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:43,760
research haunted location before

1037
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:46,619
paranormal investigation

1038
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,079
many paranormal investigators will tell

1039
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:50,880
you that you should never do any

1040
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:52,859
background research as research tells

1041
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:55,079
you what you should be finding

1042
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:57,780
this article tells you why you should do

1043
00:40:02,030 --> 00:40:00,359
some research first of course you could

1044
00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:02,040
always bypass the time and effort of the

1045
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:04,859
visit or the research by just reaching

1046
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:14,630
do fireworks increase Paranormal

1047
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:16,260
Activity

1048
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:18,599
commonly said within the Paranormal

1049
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:21,240
community that hauntings increase as a

1050
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:22,920
result of the energy put out by

1051
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:24,839
fireworks displays

1052
00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:27,720
maybe that's why pets go berserk when a

1053
00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:37,670
I'm giggling even before the silliest

1054
00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:41,099
story of the week ancient statue of a

1055
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:44,900
woman using laptop oh that's interesting

1056
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:48,599
quote time travel proof or an elaborate

1057
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:52,380
hoax end quote well not that elaborate

1058
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:54,839
and no need to think it's a hoax it's

1059
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:57,420
probably just a shallow box nonetheless

1060
00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:01,020
an interesting example of believing is

1061
00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:02,180
seeing

1062
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:03,780
[Music]

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00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:06,660
other silliest story of the week

1064
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:10,070
K-pop Star reveals she has a bored ghost

1065
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:11,460
[Music]

1066
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:15,720
Lisa from the K-Pop group blackpinks no

1067
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:19,200
we don't know who they are either

1068
00:41:23,569 --> 00:41:21,660
um but maybe I shouldn't admit this I do

1069
00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:23,579
know who they are

1070
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,579
well the black pinks have a garbage can

1071
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:29,280
that opens and closes by itself of

1072
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:30,960
course it's the sort of can that has a

1073
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:32,760
sensor to open and close when someone is

1074
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:33,540
near

1075
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,440
a cat she thinks it's a bored ghost just

1076
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:40,200
being bloody minded or maybe the

1077
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,020
mechanism is on the fritz time for a new

1078
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:46,560
bin or a new cat

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00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:49,619
well that's all for now this is Adrian

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Hill signing off from one of 17

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00:41:55,830 --> 00:41:54,300
countries around the world that has only

1082
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:55,840
a single land border

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00:42:09,609 --> 00:42:03,810
thank you

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00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:09,619
[Music]

1085
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:13,680
so the last event of scicon 2022 just

1086
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:17,040
ended and I caught up with Hannah and

1087
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:19,560
Aaron who I first met here I don't know

1088
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:21,720
was it five years ago six years ago at

1089
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,480
cycon and yeah six years I think yeah

1090
00:42:28,089 --> 00:42:25,920
and and then I haven't seen you guys

1091
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:28,099
because you were too busy or occupied

1092
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,260
with the Armed Forces as I understand it

1093
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,200
to attend and it was great meeting you

1094
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:36,720
this year so tell the audience a little

1095
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:38,099
bit about yourselves

1096
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:42,480
okay uh yeah so I'm Aaron force uh well

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00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:45,960
by trade I'm an actor in in Hollywood in

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00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:47,700
Los Angeles California I heard a rumor

1099
00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:50,700
that you speak Klingon uh I do I do yeah

1100
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:53,579
in fact I uh I still do it um uh when it

1101
00:42:58,130 --> 00:42:56,220
comes up uh on I do voice over work a

1102
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,140
lot and I I do it on the new Star Trek

1103
00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:00,000
shows and a lot of what I do for that

1104
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:02,220
ends up being so you know there's all

1105
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,260
this technology all this technobabble

1106
00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:06,720
going on it you know in Star Trek and so

1107
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,579
you need a whole lot of people talking

1108
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,920
in the background you know with their

1109
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:13,440
little data pads and whatnot uh doing BS

1110
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:16,380
science and so I do that I've got my you

1111
00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:17,940
know all that going on and then now the

1112
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:20,220
new shows have really robust Klingon

1113
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:23,720
language like

1114
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:27,240
which means remain Klingon oh I knew

1115
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:29,880
that yeah it's very kind of species

1116
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,940
nationalistic but okay does Aaron do

1117
00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:34,800
that at home yes yeah especially

1118
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:36,599
sometimes we during the pandemic we're

1119
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,760
sometimes we were recording at home WB

1120
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,920
would send you these big Booth things

1121
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:42,720
these portable booths and then you're

1122
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:44,579
huddled in there like it's a closet and

1123
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:47,640
anytime anytime he's angry surely it

1124
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,980
comes out yeah you know yeah I revert to

1125
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:51,839
my natural ways but so yeah I've been

1126
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:53,640
I've been doing that I've been working

1127
00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:55,260
in Hollywood since I was eight years old

1128
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:58,740
as an actor and but I grew up in a very

1129
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:01,319
artistic but a very science oriented

1130
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:03,480
family and um I was going to ask you

1131
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:04,859
what got you interested in coming to

1132
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:07,500
scicon yeah yeah I you know my father

1133
00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:09,480
was was a geneticist in the early days

1134
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:11,220
of the field and then a science teacher

1135
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,560
by the time I was around and I always

1136
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:15,960
grew up with an obsessive love and

1137
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:18,420
passion for the way things worked and

1138
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:21,000
reality and uh let me break open that

1139
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:22,920
microwave sorry Dad and figure out how

1140
00:44:29,569 --> 00:44:26,040
it works all right so let me ask Hannah

1141
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:29,579
about yourself I I well I was in the

1142
00:44:34,609 --> 00:44:31,859
Army National Guard for uh 12 years and

1143
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:34,619
I just got out I finished I thought

1144
00:44:40,089 --> 00:44:37,260
about going in for the whole 20 and just

1145
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:40,099
Finance actually and like

1146
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,099
mentally I figured nah this is this is

1147
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:46,440
the time this is the time I'm serving

1148
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:47,520
the country is the reason you couldn't

1149
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:49,740
come to the place yeah yeah exactly I

1150
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:51,960
would often have drill the same weekend

1151
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:54,060
and it would be too late and they

1152
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,440
wouldn't let me go and stuff like that

1153
00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:58,079
even for psychon I know I I would try to

1154
00:45:03,550 --> 00:45:01,560
tell them like come on guys we didn't

1155
00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:03,560
have the proper appreciation

1156
00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:06,780
right oh my God I loved being in the

1157
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:08,339
National Guard as opposed to like active

1158
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,140
duty which a lot of my family members

1159
00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:12,599
were because that is literally what I

1160
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:15,000
wanted to do I wanted to do like because

1161
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,160
I saw the you know the commercials of

1162
00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:19,680
people flying in and on helicopters and

1163
00:45:24,349 --> 00:45:21,960
saving people from hurricanes like at

1164
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,359
Katrina but obviously living in

1165
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:26,160
California we don't have hurricanes uh

1166
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:28,380
not a lot of that but we did I was often

1167
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,660
activated for things like wildfires

1168
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,520
because it's Southern California we've

1169
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:33,839
helped out with stuff like that and then

1170
00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:35,640
when the pandemic happened we were

1171
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:38,339
activated to help administer vaccines

1172
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:41,220
and then I think I just mentally I'm

1173
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,079
like I I think I need to just step away

1174
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,359
and we're we're good now and now I'm

1175
00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:48,000
gonna just focus on going to school to

1176
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,300
be a marine biologist yeah so my dreams

1177
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,640
for science interests yes when I was a

1178
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:55,680
child I would go to Sea World and I

1179
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,260
would see the the people swimming and

1180
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,720
playing with the uh the Dolphins and the

1181
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:02,640
whales and doing tricks and I'm like oh

1182
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:05,160
my God I want to do that so what was it

1183
00:46:09,250 --> 00:46:06,420
that got you interested in coming to

1184
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:09,260
scicon the first time Aaron was very

1185
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:12,540
science-minded and got me into all of

1186
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:15,780
the really cool aspects of like well I'm

1187
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:18,300
friends with or I have met you know this

1188
00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:20,460
random scientist or this you know

1189
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:22,980
science look at this picture from yeah

1190
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,220
the scientist scientist or the amazing

1191
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:28,319
Randy and magicians and all this stuff

1192
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,119
and I'm like oh my God so what what last

1193
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:31,440
question what's your perception of the

1194
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,420
difference both of you guys between the

1195
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,240
the last time pre-pandemic and pre-year

1196
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:38,640
service that you attended and uh what do

1197
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:40,859
you think some you know some years have

1198
00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:43,140
passed and we've all been through covid

1199
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:47,819
and I think I do see a more appreciation

1200
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:51,420
in all of us here for this group and for

1201
00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:54,180
being able to get together and uh have

1202
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:56,780
connections in bonding and socializing

1203
00:47:02,510 --> 00:46:58,980
especially with people that that are

1204
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,520
like-minded in some important ways when

1205
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:04,800
not being like-minded like capable of

1206
00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:07,680
the of critical thinking Kilda a lot of

1207
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,540
people and for many of us a lot of

1208
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:11,280
people we know you know

1209
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,460
um yeah and and you know and so I think

1210
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:17,280
there's that and I think there's a very

1211
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:19,800
clear indication of the gravity of what

1212
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,400
we do good point so so I see that as a

1213
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,200
powerful difference and then you know

1214
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:27,359
just functionally there's you know I

1215
00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:30,660
felt a very heavy medical orientation

1216
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:33,240
this year which makes good sense and

1217
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:37,380
also political which I despite people

1218
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:40,680
being made uncomfortable I have always

1219
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:43,980
said and I think is essential because

1220
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:46,859
politic politics political is just how

1221
00:47:51,170 --> 00:47:49,260
we organize ourselves as a species and

1222
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,180
we can't avoid it that it has to be

1223
00:47:55,069 --> 00:47:52,800
aligned with science it has to be

1224
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:55,079
aligned with critical thinking so I

1225
00:47:58,430 --> 00:47:56,880
think that's good what do you think huh

1226
00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:58,440
it is a little bit of a smaller group

1227
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:01,079
but I think it it it's a little bit more

1228
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,040
bonded it feels like I I felt super

1229
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:07,680
appreciative and and honored to be

1230
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,020
welcomed because back because I had only

1231
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:12,000
ever been to one I had never been to Tam

1232
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:14,700
I had never and people like you and a

1233
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:16,560
bunch of other people that I barely even

1234
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,680
talked to recognized me and welcomed me

1235
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,079
and said hi and I was like oh I I didn't

1236
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:24,660
realize that I had an impression you

1237
00:48:29,890 --> 00:48:25,740
guys as a couple make an impression

1238
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,150
I'm amazed that they don't give you the

1239
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:34,800
prize I don't understand oh it's fun

1240
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:37,319
it's fun I I felt bad for the James Webb

1241
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:40,880
yes the James Webb Telescope

1242
00:48:45,970 --> 00:48:43,380
Mitchell Lambert it was a James Webb

1243
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:48,349
it was amazing he did get a free drink

1244
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,579
they felt bad there we were all chanting

1245
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:52,319
for the James shoes James went out to

1246
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:54,420
him out there doing hard work that's

1247
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:56,700
right but

1248
00:49:02,210 --> 00:48:58,560
um one of the things that I I'm noticing

1249
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:02,220
that I I now feel like I have a little

1250
00:49:08,510 --> 00:49:04,740
bit more of a baseline that I can speak

1251
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:08,520
from being more saturated in in science

1252
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:11,160
and skepticism is getting more young

1253
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:12,900
people involved especially this time

1254
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,060
because I know that there's fewer people

1255
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:17,280
than the one that I went to before but I

1256
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,319
don't think it was that much fear not

1257
00:49:24,890 --> 00:49:21,599
not that much but I do see

1258
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:24,900
proportionally very few people that are

1259
00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:27,060
my age or younger and I think it would

1260
00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:29,579
be really great to to try and get more

1261
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,579
of those people out okay yeah so the

1262
00:49:36,410 --> 00:49:34,800
last one that we had which was right

1263
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:36,420
before the pandemic yeah you guys were

1264
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,220
not at yeah there actually was a

1265
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:40,079
concerted effort to do that that's

1266
00:49:44,210 --> 00:49:42,180
awesome right they actually had a lot of

1267
00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:44,220
teenage people walking around that had

1268
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,300
gotten free admission oh wow Susan

1269
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,119
garbick helped sponsor Grant so that

1270
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:52,800
kind of thing yes I don't know if it's

1271
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,880
because we're still lingering the

1272
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,000
pandemic if they didn't do it this year

1273
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:58,500
totally understandable yeah but it you

1274
00:50:02,089 --> 00:50:00,359
know and also people and of course we've

1275
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:02,099
got to do it from both sides gotta yeah

1276
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:04,560
and get them to want to come exactly and

1277
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,660
the funds to get here in fact the

1278
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,920
skeptic Zone listeners might remember

1279
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:09,599
because I reported on this at the last

1280
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,339
conference when it happened several of

1281
00:50:16,089 --> 00:50:12,960
the speakers went out to the schools

1282
00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:16,099
locally and did presentations

1283
00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:18,359
that would be so much fun it was very

1284
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:20,579
cool yeah all right thank you guys for

1285
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:22,260
your time and glad to see you this year

1286
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:23,819
again hope to see you again following

1287
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:26,040
years you will thank you so much

1288
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,900
wandering the halls of scicon on Friday

1289
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:30,000
and I'm looking for people to interview

1290
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,760
and look who I run into or listen to I

1291
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:34,079
run into I'm sure this voice will be

1292
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:36,180
familiar to the skeptic Zone listeners

1293
00:50:42,490 --> 00:50:39,720
hey hey oof don't run into me so yes I

1294
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:42,500
found Mr Brian Dunning from skeptoy.com

1295
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:44,579
what are you doing at the conference

1296
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,500
this year we came here for working

1297
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:49,200
reasons and I say we that's me and then

1298
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:51,420
we have a new hire her name is Kathy

1299
00:50:56,030 --> 00:50:52,980
reichmeyer she's our director of

1300
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:56,040
operations and she has an amazing

1301
00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:58,859
history in non-profit management as 30

1302
00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:00,780
years as an executive director director

1303
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,180
of development but she's new to the

1304
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:05,760
whole skeptic scene and and this world

1305
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:08,280
so she and I came and I'm just going to

1306
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:09,720
be introducing her to people and we're

1307
00:51:13,250 --> 00:51:11,220
going to have a little I think we're

1308
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:13,260
calling it our skeptoid round table or

1309
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,000
something we've got a dozen or two

1310
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,280
skeptoid members and listeners who are

1311
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,720
just showing up and we're going to have

1312
00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:20,880
kind of a brainstorming steering

1313
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:22,980
committee type meeting like uh you know

1314
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:24,599
what what should we be doing with all of

1315
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:25,500
your money

1316
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,500
what did you like so far you know

1317
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:29,760
honestly

1318
00:51:35,569 --> 00:51:33,420
um I there's always fantastic sessions

1319
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:35,579
and everything but whenever I look back

1320
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:37,079
on conferences my favorite part was

1321
00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:38,460
always just hanging out with friends you

1322
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:40,140
know you you come to conferences like

1323
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,280
this and you've got a million friends

1324
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:43,680
that you see once a year and that's

1325
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:45,720
always the Highlight for me so many

1326
00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:48,900
people here it's such it's it's truly a

1327
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,700
highlight of my year and and of course

1328
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,280
this hasn't happened here for three

1329
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,680
years yeah it's been it's it's been

1330
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,079
weird not having uh having conferences

1331
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,480
online is just oh it just does not

1332
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:02,880
substitute but you I know we're brave

1333
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,500
and you actually went around while the

1334
00:52:08,170 --> 00:52:06,000
pandemic was still a little worse than

1335
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:08,180
it is now driving all over the country

1336
00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:12,240
yeah we uh we thought the pandemic was

1337
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:15,180
uh was over so yeah that was October of

1338
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,540
last year 2021 I did the skeptoid

1339
00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:21,359
Whistle Stop tour where I did 14 cities

1340
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:24,300
and 14 nights and gave a presentation or

1341
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:26,339
showed a movie or did something but at

1342
00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:29,160
each one of them and there was sort of

1343
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:31,260
so much demand we had to cut out Florida

1344
00:52:34,930 --> 00:52:34,200
and we had to cut out California in the

1345
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:34,940
southwest

1346
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,980
so we've just rescheduled Florida and

1347
00:52:42,589 --> 00:52:39,839
that's coming up in a couple of weeks

1348
00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:42,599
here the calendar is at skeptoid.com

1349
00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:44,339
calendar

1350
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:46,619
and we've yet to reschedule the

1351
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:48,900
California stuff but uh in Southwest but

1352
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,700
that's I'm sure going to happen pretty

1353
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,440
soon because now

1354
00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:54,960
we know that the pandemic is not really

1355
00:53:02,870 --> 00:52:58,980
over but it's manageable and last

1356
00:53:05,569 --> 00:53:02,880
question I am a contributor to the movie

1357
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:05,579
they don't want you to see you wait for

1358
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:07,619
that uh so yeah just for people who

1359
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:08,760
don't know about that talk a little bit

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what is that about yeah so this is uh my

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current movie Project it's going to be

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another full feature length documentary

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film for direct to streaming so it'll be

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on Prime and Apple TV and all the usual

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streaming services the movie is aimed at

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the UFO True Believers I'm really making

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a effort to sort of bridge the gap

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make a movie that they are going to feel

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that is inclusive of them and their

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perspective so that they will be

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interested in watching it and listening

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to what I have to say and it's just

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going to be dropping a bunch of science

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bombs my idea is that anyone no matter

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what your perspective on UFOs is if you

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00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:49,740
if you're a True Believer if you're a

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100 skeptic or denier that you will your

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position will be better informed by

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science after seeing this movie it's

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00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:00,359
called the UFO movie they don't want you

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to see and you can find out everything

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00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,040
about it at the ufo.movie I actually

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00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,920
posted this on my Facebook page and I

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00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:09,839
had several people comment Who's they

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what are you talking about and that's a

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great thing about the title because

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everyone talks about the title it was a

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conversation starter for sure okay thank

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you Brian enjoy the rest of the

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conference okay thanks a lot it's great

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to see you

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foreign

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[Applause]

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I hope

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our European guests flying into Sydney

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to make their way to Canberra for our

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big National Convention

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also the last of the interviews from

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scicon with Rob Palmer and next week the

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Trove revisits the Old Faithful topic of

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UFOs because there are endless stories

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and reports and whatnot about UFOs going

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00:56:45,010 --> 00:56:39,230
oh dice game we could do the dice game

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listen after the music to the skipping

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Zone podcast it's time once again to

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00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:50,400
play the dice game where I'm going to

1439
00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:52,740
roll a d10 I'm going to roll it three

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times and you have to use your psychic

1441
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:56,640
magic predicting dumb luck powers or

1442
00:56:59,809 --> 00:56:58,440
whatever you want to do you can cheat

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00:57:01,609 --> 00:56:59,819
you can listen to the show then go

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00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,619
rewind and listen to it again and say

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00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:03,200
see I got them all

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00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:06,300
joining me this week are a cast of

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00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:08,099
thousands including Susan go back hello

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00:57:14,809 --> 00:57:10,800
Susan hi Richard hi skeptic Zone

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00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:14,819
listeners I'm back you're back and uh

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00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,339
many faces I'm looking at uh on my

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00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:19,680
screen okay here we go so everybody

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00:57:23,089 --> 00:57:21,540
who's watching along because we're

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00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:23,099
playing Susan's trivia I'm going to turn

1454
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,720
the chat on on the chat should be on for

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00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:26,880
everybody or just switch the chat on and

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00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:29,640
put your guess it's out of uh one to ten

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one two three four five six seven eight

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00:57:36,130 --> 00:57:33,300
nine ten put your guess in the chat now

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00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:36,140
or the first roll of the dime

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00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,180
four eight seven seven oh wait where's

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00:57:42,829 --> 00:57:41,040
the chat oh there it is this looks like

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00:57:44,109 --> 00:57:42,839
some sort of weird code if you put in

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00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:44,119
these numbers

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two four or five nobody's put ten in

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00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:56,089
all right here we go and I've been

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00:57:59,569 --> 00:57:57,839
accused before of cheating you know

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00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:59,579
people say

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um that's not really the number that's

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come up

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and I'm just going to make sure that you

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can all see clean why why would you

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cheat though because I always exactly I

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00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,740
always guess five and see the one time

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00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:15,599
that we got no there's no benefit for

1475
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:16,920
him cheating him like he's not getting

1476
00:58:23,470 --> 00:58:19,140
enough money okay here we go

1477
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,480
uh I can't see it I know

1478
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so six

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[Laughter]

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that's six verse number six if you've

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00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:38,099
got six months so if it comes up 666 is

1482
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I don't know why okay here he comes here

1483
00:59:06,530 --> 00:59:03,770
Ah that's interesting

1484
00:59:18,609 --> 00:59:06,540
you have to be very careful it's a six

1485
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:21,349
is this the dice roller that uh Greg

1486
00:59:25,089 --> 00:59:23,700
duray gave you it certainly is it's a

1487
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:25,099
nine sorry

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00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:28,020
I thought I'd get it well you're upside

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00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:30,660
down you're an Australia aren't you okay

1490
00:59:34,990 --> 00:59:33,780
last one last one here it comes or put

1491
00:59:38,770 --> 00:59:35,000
in your guesses

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oh they're coming in Thinking Fast

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00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:41,720
I did

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00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:44,220
Here Comes

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00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,440
so you can't finish everything Rob

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Palmer okay

1497
00:59:59,770 --> 00:59:51,119
you just press the same number

1498
01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:02,630
and blame Greg duray there's no five on

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01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:03,900
that dice that's how we do today's

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winning numbers here uh six nine and two

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01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:11,280
and just to please ah you could have

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01:00:15,710 --> 01:00:12,420
picked up you just switched it to

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01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:15,720
another dog if you could Bend uh a

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01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:17,460
tableware you could pick up another Dice

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01:00:21,490 --> 01:00:20,280
and trick us yeah yeah thank you